that advertises the world's largest prison rodeo. i mean, what in the world has become of our prison system? >> it is an instrument for justice. it may not be -- i think they're inappropriate. have them and have people who committed relatively trivial crimes engaged with them, but the fact is that these -- we don't make the discrimination. and that convicted murderers who are well behaved inside and get transferred to the parts of the prison that you can see and mock the very idea of justice. lou: and a good time for a rapist, murdered, this is -- how does all of this began? there was, you know, sheriff joe are pile and arizona, he had, you know, being a jumpsuits are has been jumpsuits for prisoners. he does not give them any meal beyond a bologna sandwich for lunch, and he is considered to be a very harsh and hard character for so doing. how do we get to the point that it has bome an entertainment land for many? >> well, just to stop such a prison door. that is the irony. that is where it is supposed to start. th is where it stops.